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explode dissolve your e-ticket ride is

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the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself e'en as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghost lost world

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cryptozoology walks as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night the night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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well you know the lights just went out

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enough in the whole mansion here it's

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really spooky I haven't been down in the

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cellar in a long time and I hope I don't

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fall down the stairs here I know a

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couple of them were were a broken eye

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I've got to try to find the old fuse

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boxes I'm not no I think they were over

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in this corner here wait a minute I hear

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I hear something well what am i hearing

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there can't be anything going on down

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here I mean huh oh my goodness

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dude there's somebody down here with me

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oh my goodness who is that oh I see a

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shadow on the wall and I know it's

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really disturbing it can't possibly be

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it's someone from my nightmares

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it's got to be but oh no it can't be

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it's the it's the boogeyman I better I'm

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falling down the stairs Tim Tim try to

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turn on the lights up there so I can get

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to get up and get away from this awful

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creature the the boogeyman - these are

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the trees I forged in life your honor

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hi well I'm glad to be out of there

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I tell you that was that was one scary a

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moment so how you doing out there in

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Jasper I know I'm scared too

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oh I tell you that that was you know I

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haven't been down in that cellar for a

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long time I once awhile out here some

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spooky noises coming from there so I've

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kind of kept away but when the lights

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went out in in all I I knew I had to get

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down there to put the circuit breaker

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back on well you know in our house if

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you hear you're like strange spooky

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noises it's generally the cat's well we

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have a couple of cats down there but

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this was far worse than the cat this was

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a creature like none I've ever seen

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before

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so Tim why don't you tell us who our

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guests are this evening so I can break

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the spell or maybe I don't want to break

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the spell go ahead and give us tell our

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listeners tonight what they should be

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aware of what they should be scared out

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yeah well we don't want to break the

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spell because tonight we have with us

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Benjamin Jeffries and who is also from

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Indiana up around the Lafayette area and

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I won't hold that against him all right

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I grew up in generally the the same area

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so a been as long as he could remember

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he's been into monsters and ghosts folk

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tales and legends and he admits that

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he's always been attracted to the more

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dark side the paranormal you more than

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one in class who tells horrific jokes

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with a straight face the darker the

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better and tonight's Benjamin is going

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to talk about his his latest book

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interview with the boogey man the

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monster for all times I'm seeing the

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booking well and on top of that we have

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with us

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Brian and Baxter Brian and Baxter there

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are paranormal claims investigation team

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and their investigations have included

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claims of ghosts poltergeists psychics

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UFOs conspiracy theories and over the

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legends with Gus what do you find years

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of experience so they've been doing this

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long before you know the reality

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television programs with you know people

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walking around with the was the

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night-vision cameras you know I hate

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anything that's photographed with a

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night-vision camera I know I put

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everybody's eyes glow and their teeth

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you know or strange looking and I don't

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know it's just it's hard for me to watch

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I would rather not watch it but what can

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you do well one of the cool things that

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Brian of extra are doing is that they're

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hosting haunted haunted dinner series

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and a recreation of Victorian the

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seances so I know that I know you're

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interested in like the old timey seances

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so it's going to be a great show with

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Ben Jefferies and Brock Baxter so

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gentlemen welcome to exploring the

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bizarre happy to have you all here this

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evening let us let us go to the

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boogeyman I guess we have to give him

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his jest just dues here Benjamin how did

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you find out about the boogeyman were

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you scared by him when you were growing

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up I actually wasn't the boogeyman were

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my favorite monsters I always kind of

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gravitated towards monsters I've always

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enjoyed the monsters more than the

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heroes so my boogeyman were bullied in

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school pretty much but I looked at

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Frankenstein and the Wolfman and

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Creature from the Black Lagoon and those

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were those were my heroes war but the

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table the true boogeyman for me were

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bullied that I didn't really you know

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well T scared I was always fascinated

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like bloody stories well my boogeyman

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was an actress by the name of Nancy's

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Nancy Davis went on to marry Ronald

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Reagan and became Nancy Reagan and she

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was the boogeyman because of the movie

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Donovan's brain what a great movie oh

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well not when you're eight or nine years

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old my mother my mother would not allow

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me to stay up and watch it but my

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bedroom was nearby so I could hear

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through the walls

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the sound of the brain pump pump pump

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pump pump you know and it was so eerie

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and strange and just so terrifying to me

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at that age that I had to start sleeping

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with a nightlight on now I went back 20

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or 25 years later and I put on the movie

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and I turned it off in 15 minutes it

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wasn't it was no it was no longer

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terrifying to an adult there were things

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I guess a far worse of the in the in the

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world and Nancy Davis maybe not too far

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worse but I experienced I did some more

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experience when I was a kid too so what

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what is the the earliest recorded

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reference to a to a boogeyman I mean huh

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how far does this go back in and how

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would you describe the boogeyman I mean

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is it universally the same spooky

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character or are there variations

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according to what country one might be

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living in as a child you know there's

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there's really no set description for

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him he's kind of different in every

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culture in every time period the only

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thing that really kind of ties every

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single you know form of the booking room

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together is his innate talent for

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creating fear and he becomes basically I

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think easily sort of a scapegoat for

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every fear that sitting working in the

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dark you know it's always a boogeyman

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Netherlands Russia Asia America you know

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there's there's always you know a

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different boogeyman for every culture

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but the one thing that's ever ties them

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together is this purpose of this talent

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for fear and it's it's almost a man-made

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fear it's kind of an innate fear a

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primal fear and so it's really Kamiya

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was fascinating to how each one kind of

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connects and yet they're so different

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but they all kind of stem from the same

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thing now are there certain places in

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the world where the boogeyman is taking

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taken more seriously than others

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actually in in Asia he's actually taken

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very carefully even to this day there's

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a very very significant people and even

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to this to this even to this day they

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still kind of bless their homes to keep

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demons out they bless their homes to

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keep evil spirits and ghosts out so

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there's some a very real fear of those

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things you don't understand that but

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that's there but I think a lot of people

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abroad it's broader than just an evil

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spirit or a demon it's it's it every

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fear you've ever had and I think that

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just about everybody in the world can

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can relate to that and actually hold

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there's some substance to it that

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actually makes it real for that I think

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that everybody's scared of something and

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everybody continue to be scared of

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something even after childhood so my bad

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that kind of keep them alive in a way

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now how about here in America about the

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Native American that the cultures

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different societies and all they

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obviously they had two tricks there or

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they still have the tricks or which is

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kind of a boogeyman after ever was one

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and the shapeshifters to a gallery do

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you know any it still

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is about the Native Americans and the

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boogieman the most famous Native

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much I think everybody knows about the

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Windigo who is basically he was you know

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this this creature of nature that was

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looked on as you know every I mean he I

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mean if you look at some of the

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illustrations of the Windigo he was just

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this this evil creature that basically

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was born out of nature and was sent to

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terrorize man for for staining nature or

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for trespassing against nature

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over time the Windigo started getting is

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that are we going to be attacked by the

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windigos because we pulled out of the

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terrorist climate change accord

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you never know i've gotten down the

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hatches on that one oh boy we may be in

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trouble here maybe a pack of Windigo

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coming efforts right now so okay so we

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had the the boogie man in the native

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cultures now also too you know there was

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the phenomena of the shaking tent where

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the medicine man or someone else in the

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tribe would go into a tent maybe light a

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fire and materialize a spirit or a

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creature or something like that and

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people could the other tribe members

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could actually see the activity that was

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going on in the inside the inside the

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tent where the shaman was conjuring up

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this demon yeah that yeah those other

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shaman could pull some real tricks out

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of their hat and of course I wasn't

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there but who knows what actually would

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happen with that sort of whole issue

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with what I know I know that the Native

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Americans took it very very seriously

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and abided by the rules of nature's more

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than anybody else in the world I go well

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now how about the early American the

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settlers here the pioneers and the

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settlers did they bring a tales of the

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boogeyman over with them or did they

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create a new set of boogeyman

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lot of a lot of the American folk tales

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from the early settlers age they

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actually came from England and one of

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the more famous one was we have the

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tales of raw head and bloody bones I

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don't know if you're familiar with with

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them but they actually it actually the

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whole the whole story of raw had bloody

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bones began all the way back in 1548 and

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no I'm not from anything accounts it was

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actually there's there's there's sort of

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a deviation there there's one story

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about rawhide and bloody bones that

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originated in medieval England and then

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there's another that was kind of almost

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changed due to the location here in

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America raw head and bloody bones in

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America they actually kind of became

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more of a scary monster underneath the

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stairs that would actually grab you you

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know as you came down the stairs that

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type of claim he was known to hide in

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closets and hide under the stairs and

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snatched children and basically he was

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the equivalent of a troll that would

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basically use the bones of his victims

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to sit upon and his head was his head

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was known as being kind of raw and

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bloody and he was a pretty scary guy

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and yeah go ahead Tim why was this going

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to ask what about the name boogey man I

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you know I mean any idea where that

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originated from and you know like maybe

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some of the earliest versions of that

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that that you may have run across I mean

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I realize it's kind of a almost a

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pop-culture name at this point but you

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know I mean it's it's been around for a

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long time again the boogeyman actually

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came you know the name the boogeyman

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came from England again it was a called

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a bobert at the time and that's that's

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the name that actually stood was kind of

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watered down into boogeyman so what kind

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of the slang name for what this monster

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was was the bog erm it became over time

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known as boogeyman or boogie or bogey

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well yeah I mean I don't know if you're

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familiar I mean you're from Indiana you

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know this part of the country but you

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know like a lot of times cryptid

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creatures throughout the years have been

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referred to as brothers yeah yeah I

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never used that term reporter that you

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know I grew up in age when I took out a

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whole other definition but oh you know

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you look at some of these you know like

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you know old newspaper report especially

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you know like from the late 19th or 20th

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century

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yeah when people are seeing you know

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like it may be a Bigfoot type of

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creature or something like that a lot of

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times I they're referred with boogers

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yeah and I always thought it was

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hilarious when my grandmother would

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refer to him as the booger man

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so I would say are you afraid of the

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booger man I'm like not anymore all of

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no it's almost almost like guess what

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what was close the movie that just came

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out not too long ago to them

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oh gosh I came thinking up now but it

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basically was almost like the equivalent

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equivalent of a boogeyman except that

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what was he covered in teeth or

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something along those lines and you can

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have to remind me to move terrifying

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yeah well he would like I guess a

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situation you know in the in the book in

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the movie was that if you said his name

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or thought about a [\h__\h] or even just

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you know looked at his general direction

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talk about the but the by by man yes yes

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thank you thank you because we have that

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on the program that's right that's right

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I want to buy into bye-bye man you know

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there you go I mean there's there's like

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a 21st century version of the book over

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here well on my camera I guess the

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boogeyman has been recreated even if not

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by name in hundreds if not thousands of

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horror movies over the last how many

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years would that be over 100 years since

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the beginning of cinematography going

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and going going back to

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I guess one of my favorites or Classics

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would be nestled right oh oh yeah and

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even even before that it was Thomas

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Edison Frankenstein we needed the the

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Kinetoscope of the the very first motion

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picture

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well that's actors but there's something

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that even though were frightened of the

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boogeyman we have to have him in our

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lives one way or another he said to

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straight yeah he he you know in the book

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I actually kind of pointed him and say

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you know he's the one that teaches how

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to be an adult he's the one the teachers

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how to overcome our fears and be able to

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get past just about anything in life a

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move you can survive the boogeyman when

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you're kid you can you can do anything I

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see that there is even a professional

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wrestler who has taken on the persona of

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the boogeyman now good makeup good

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makeup job I've actually never seen him

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wrestle but makeup looks a scary enough

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I guess the ultimate fight would be

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between the boogeyman and the Undertaker

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or something right that was mMmmm I

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would pay money to see that oh yeah yeah

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with a wall the wall didn't match or

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something like that you know just like

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at a Edgar Allan Poe has there ever been

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a serial killer or a killer who's taken

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on the persona of the boogeyman or claim

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to be the boogeyman or use that motif

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I'm certain there have been I think a

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lot of a lot I like a lot of serial

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killers and I wrote about their doors my

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previous book vile and I think I think a

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lot of serial killers take on that

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persona without actually calling

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themselves back they revel in me in the

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fact that they're causing fear and

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they're they're in control of someone's

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fear and I think that whether they call

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themselves that or not that's how they

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feel and that's what they that's what

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they like it's that power and

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control I don't know if anybody any

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serial courses actually call themselves

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bad I haven't looked into it because I

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know we have we have the Zodiac killer

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of course so yeah the Boston Strangler

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Boston Strangler you know all those all

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those wonderful fellows well I guess the

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the closest I would think although the

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name wasn't you used would be ed ed gein

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Ed Gein yeah you know made lampshades

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out of human flesh and stuff like that

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he was he was the boogeyman for a long

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long long time to a lot of kids

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especially in the Midwest well I could I

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could certainly understand why now I

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noticed there's a an illustration in

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your book of the Pied Piper would you

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consider the Pied Piper a boogeyman I

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actually did he was one of the first

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ones that I wrote about when I when I

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started when I got the one I got that

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when the pitch was greenlit by chef Roy

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that he was one of the first ones I

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looked at simply because it was kind of

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a turnaround it wasn't preying on the

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fears of the children his preying on the

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fears of the of the adults and it was

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kind of a nice turn about where yeah he

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was you know being a book him into all

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of these children's parents and he took

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them away without them being able to do

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a poem about it so yeah he did to me I

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saw a definitely connection between him

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and the more bookish aspects of Senators

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of boogeyman and then I guess one of my

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favorite would be Spring Heeled Jack

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right out of the UK yeah I you know

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there's I found so little about Spring

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Heeled Jack that I can actually believe

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to be true I think a lot of it had to do

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with you know folk tales being made up

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about muggings and attacks in London

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around the same time objective revered

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them yeah I think that that's why that

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that's possibly an occasion where the

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media could have possibly made it look

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bigger or more fantastic than it

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actually was

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but there's more there's more folktales

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about them than there are actual real

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news stories about well I actually you

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know there's a fellow and I couldn't

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tell you his name offhand that we tried

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to get on the program but he's in

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England and couldn't we couldn't work

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out the the our you know forget to do a

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broadcast with him who just wrote a book

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that came out within the year on Spring

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Heeled Jack oh yeah yeah yeah and it has

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a lot of actual clippings and stuff I

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mean he did do a lot of research on it

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but of course you know you're right the

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I I guess for a good part there were

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these fantastic

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you know illustrations that took we're

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on the front page of the yellow sheets

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or whatever they call them in those day

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you know the kind of I guess a favor of

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the Weekly World News anyway we're

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coming upon our first break and we would

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be back to continue our conversation on

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what scares us

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[Applause]

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now that you explore in the bazaar with

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two of the most intact refined

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researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

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Timothy Becca Lee handsome Schwartz and

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welcome back to exploring the bazaar I'm

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Tim sports and tonight we are talking

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about ghosts Li's Ghoulies and

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long-legged Ghoulies and things that go

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bump in the night

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and we were just uh talking with Ben

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Jefferies about the bully man so Tim why

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don't we now bring in Brian and Baxter

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or their full names Brian Bonner and

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Matthew Baxter guys thank you very much

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for being with us tonight on exploring

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the bizarre hello I'm not sure we

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actually have a background the line no

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well I guess you're going to have to

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book a man-god or yeah there's gonna be

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a B&B yeah well that you know [\h__\h]

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happens so well you know um so so we're

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talking with Brian then right seems to

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be that way yeah okay you know Brian I

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just ran across some article today from

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three or three magazine talking about

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your paranormal dinner and seances and I

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think something that really good article

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about you two why don't you uh before we

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get into anything else why don't you

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tell us a little bit about the the whole

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paranormal seance dinner well we've got

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two different ones that we're working

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with we have our paranormal dinner

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series or audit dinner series that

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there's three to choose from each one of

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them we have a dinner ahead of time and

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then there is a talk afterwards since

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we've been in the paranormal field for

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so long we decided it was time to

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you know share our results help educate

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some people and what's been going on out

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the paranormal world and you know tell a

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good ghost story here there so we've

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picked a handful of some of our favorite

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locations and like I say three to choose

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from you can come in here some amazing

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histories the ghost stories from the

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locations and then things that we found

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well we've investigated these locations

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so just a lot of fun but you know after

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all of this we decided we've been

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talking at people and we wanted to do

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something a little more interactive so

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we've kind of stepped out of the

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paranormal research and gone into and I

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hate to say it more of a dinner theater

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where we're doing a recreation of a

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classic Victorian seance

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however we brought a lot of see new

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moderate quote ghost hunting tools into

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the into the mix too so it it feels a

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lot creepier because this is things that

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people are seeing and thinking they're

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finding ghosts on television with so

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it's it's a lot creepier and really

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interactive all right well why don't you

539
00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:57,049
once you let our audience know how the

540
00:27:00,189 --> 00:26:58,190
two of you got together in the first

541
00:27:03,639 --> 00:27:00,199
place you know with this you know mutual

542
00:27:05,469 --> 00:27:03,649
interest of the paranormal well both of

543
00:27:07,209 --> 00:27:05,479
us had been kind of independently doing

544
00:27:10,959 --> 00:27:07,219
it back there it'd been with another

545
00:27:15,249 --> 00:27:10,969
team who he had had kind of a break up

546
00:27:17,709 --> 00:27:15,259
with basically the the whole gist for

547
00:27:20,439 --> 00:27:17,719
him was that this team just loved him

548
00:27:23,229 --> 00:27:20,449
because he was it was the science guy

549
00:27:25,089 --> 00:27:23,239
mm-hm and they they wanted somebody

550
00:27:26,889 --> 00:27:25,099
sciency because there was somebody else

551
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:26,899
in town that they're kind of their main

552
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:29,089
competition I don't know why there

553
00:27:33,549 --> 00:27:30,440
should be competition in the field that

554
00:27:35,589 --> 00:27:33,559
there is oh what town are we talking

555
00:27:38,889 --> 00:27:35,599
about I mean what what area is that this

556
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:38,899
this is Denver Colorado oh okay all

557
00:27:44,289 --> 00:27:42,529
right fine and the thing was um you know

558
00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:44,299
they were like hey we can finally you

559
00:27:48,339 --> 00:27:45,799
know fight this guy because the guy that

560
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:48,349
they've been arguing with so much it

561
00:27:52,449 --> 00:27:49,849
kept bringing up things you know like

562
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:52,459
science and Hawkens razor in critical

563
00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:53,809
thinking and all these things that just

564
00:27:59,310 --> 00:27:56,329
didn't seem to be part of their

565
00:28:02,830 --> 00:27:59,320
vocabulary oh my god how though

566
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:02,840
exactly so after a while Baxter starts

567
00:28:07,899 --> 00:28:04,450
debunking everything that you're doing

568
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:07,909
and they kicked him out and he's like

569
00:28:12,489 --> 00:28:09,710
well I'm gonna go find this jerk and see

570
00:28:14,649 --> 00:28:12,499
who it is that you know you know see him

571
00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:14,659
what his approach to it was well

572
00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:18,440
strangely enough that was me so ever

573
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:21,080
since then we've kind of been teamed up

574
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:24,529
together doing this and now the group

575
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:25,820
that we're with Rocky Mountain

576
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,190
paranormal was formed officially back in

577
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:31,279
1999 but we've been doing this you know

578
00:28:39,369 --> 00:28:34,850
individually for well over I hate to say

579
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:39,379
at about 25 26 years apiece so it's been

580
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:43,690
a long run well and that's you know

581
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:46,190
you've been doing this long before they

582
00:28:50,919 --> 00:28:48,710
had you know they you know sexy

583
00:28:52,779 --> 00:28:50,929
electronics that seemed to be so popular

584
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:52,789
now with these groups and on you know

585
00:28:59,409 --> 00:28:56,480
reality television I mean you you talked

586
00:29:01,180 --> 00:28:59,419
to some of these youngsters who are just

587
00:29:03,220 --> 00:29:01,190
getting into it they just can't imagine

588
00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:03,230
how you could possibly do any kind of

589
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:05,629
you know legitimate investigations

590
00:29:11,649 --> 00:29:10,129
without any of these crutches well and

591
00:29:13,539 --> 00:29:11,659
it's not just crutches but these are

592
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:13,549
things that are being sold as it is in

593
00:29:18,369 --> 00:29:15,950
trying to ghost and this is you know

594
00:29:20,830 --> 00:29:18,379
like even with bass Baxter's experience

595
00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:20,840
this is science well that's not science

596
00:29:25,389 --> 00:29:23,720
it's a toy you have to know how to use

597
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:25,399
whatever equipment is that you're using

598
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:28,490
and you know that the TV shows have

599
00:29:32,889 --> 00:29:30,710
really caused a lot of problems because

600
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,899
before that somebody that was trying to

601
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:35,600
legitimately get into any kind of

602
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:38,330
paranormal research they had to have a

603
00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:40,129
really big desire to do it and want to

604
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:43,879
do actual research now somebody watches

605
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:45,740
a couple of episodes of you know pick

606
00:29:50,639 --> 00:29:48,230
your paranormal TV show like that looks

607
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:50,649
like a lot of fun let's go do it and

608
00:29:54,879 --> 00:29:52,850
without any training without any

609
00:29:56,409 --> 00:29:54,889
experience they're going into people's

610
00:29:59,139 --> 00:29:56,419
homes and these people are genuinely

611
00:30:02,049 --> 00:29:59,149
terrified you know what may or may not

612
00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:02,059
be something in their house and they've

613
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:04,340
got more people coming in now that are

614
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:06,409
going to be just as terrified as the

615
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,110
homeowner so we've kind of

616
00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:12,960
had to spin our take on what we do over

617
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,190
the past probably decade because now

618
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,500
rather than get people calling us saying

619
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,360
help I think or something in my house we

620
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:22,799
get people saying help somebody just

621
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:25,500
came to my house told me I had five

622
00:30:29,270 --> 00:30:26,910
demons in the house and they can only

623
00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:29,280
take four and now it's two o'clock in

624
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,750
the morning and there's something going

625
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:33,240
on what can you guys do about it well at

626
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:34,890
that point you're a therapist you're not

627
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:38,910
a paranormal investigator and it's done

628
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:41,460
a lot of damage now one of the examples

629
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,080
that I always give is you can't watch an

630
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,520
episode of ghost hunters

631
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,620
and know what you're doing it's like

632
00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:51,120
somebody watching an episode of house

633
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:54,059
and saying well I'm a surgeon you just

634
00:31:00,980 --> 00:30:57,840
can't do that so you know if that's one

635
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:00,990
of our big pushes is education for

636
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:02,850
people that are trying to legitimately

637
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,340
get in this now that there is another

638
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:07,559
level of this it's a lot of fun to take

639
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:09,240
you and your friends and go to the local

640
00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:11,910
cemetery and scare each other that's all

641
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:14,280
I mean it's amazing to do that that's

642
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:17,190
not that's not paranormal investigation

643
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:19,710
that's a ghost club that's a bunch of

644
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:22,500
drinking buddies that's not that's not a

645
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,740
legitimate research I knew a couple of

646
00:31:32,270 --> 00:31:27,120
girls in the old days would like to go

647
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:32,280
to the cemetery because they are used if

648
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:34,110
the ghost stories that have come from

649
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:37,140
things like that hmm one can imagine

650
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:39,059
we've got one you know we've got one

651
00:31:44,659 --> 00:31:40,890
here that you know back in the 50s

652
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:44,669
started upset it was just a couple of

653
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:46,140
guys getting drunk taking their

654
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:47,820
girlfriends out for a drive let's go to

655
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:50,520
the cemetery because it's nice and

656
00:31:56,299 --> 00:31:52,049
creepy you're going to cuddle up with me

657
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:56,309
and they saw the reflections of some

658
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:58,140
lights from the city and bang the next

659
00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:00,419
thing you know go stories and it's just

660
00:32:04,850 --> 00:32:01,860
gotten bigger and bigger over the

661
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:04,860
decades but being able to research

662
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,570
things like that actually track them

663
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:08,700
down it's a lot of fun but it's a lot of

664
00:32:21,499 --> 00:32:17,539
you know it's kind of

665
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:21,509
a bazaar for us most people in the field

666
00:32:27,859 --> 00:32:24,330
even back when we got into it would go

667
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:27,869
out and ask to go to places and they'd

668
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:30,179
show up at the door of a reportedly

669
00:32:35,779 --> 00:32:34,169
haunted business or hotel or they know

670
00:32:38,629 --> 00:32:35,789
somebody that said they had a haunted

671
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:38,639
house we never did that we bought we

672
00:32:42,499 --> 00:32:40,289
kind of associate ourselves with

673
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:42,509
vampires we only go to places that were

674
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:48,110
invited and we've never had a problem

675
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:52,440
trying to find places to go they come to

676
00:33:01,220 --> 00:32:57,960
us which is good and you know because of

677
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,230
the popularity of the whole paranormal

678
00:33:08,419 --> 00:33:03,919
media thing we've really had to limit

679
00:33:10,609 --> 00:33:08,429
what we do private investigations have

680
00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:10,619
become kind of a thorn in our side

681
00:33:16,879 --> 00:33:15,539
honestly just because people are so they

682
00:33:19,369 --> 00:33:16,889
either want you to come to their home

683
00:33:20,899 --> 00:33:19,379
and they want to be on television so

684
00:33:23,869 --> 00:33:20,909
they're going to just make bizarre

685
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:23,879
claims to get you there or what we're

686
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:26,279
running into more than anything is

687
00:33:32,349 --> 00:33:27,779
people that are misinterpreting things

688
00:33:35,779 --> 00:33:32,359
and because of psychological problems

689
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:35,789
the interpreting things even more so

690
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:39,960
into the paranormal and it's just a

691
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:43,919
really strange mix of things that make

692
00:33:52,029 --> 00:33:46,769
people perceive this are you familiar

693
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,039
with there in the Colorado this haunted

694
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:55,679
haunted I use that in quotes this

695
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:57,929
haunted dwelling

696
00:34:05,539 --> 00:34:00,840
I think it's owned by Steve Leeds

697
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:05,549
release it's in the black for Black

698
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:08,940
Forest yeah that was kind of it we've

699
00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:12,480
investigated that at a distance and it's

700
00:34:19,549 --> 00:34:15,980
got some really intriguing stuff there

701
00:34:22,339 --> 00:34:19,559
well I hear that at a distance is really

702
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:22,349
the best way because rumor that I've

703
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:25,649
heard is he's not very friendly with

704
00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:28,440
anybody that attempt to venture in with

705
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:30,300
property these days

706
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:34,000
but I'll kind of give you a reason for

707
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:38,639
this my background is in photography

708
00:34:46,409 --> 00:34:41,919
anything anything video anything still

709
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:46,419
and you know initially it was back in

710
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:51,280
the 70s or 80s uh that location was

711
00:34:59,640 --> 00:34:54,129
featured on I believe it was sightings

712
00:35:01,620 --> 00:34:59,650
yes it was yes and I mean acting it was

713
00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:01,630
just so amazing I'm looking at this like

714
00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:03,400
wow that's so cool you can see all these

715
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:06,849
things happening but as the decades move

716
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:10,330
forward my education got a little more

717
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:13,740
than I had then and my understanding of

718
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:16,090
older technology and what they were

719
00:35:22,460 --> 00:35:19,770
using a lot of that stuff was pretty

720
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:22,470
straightforward as to what was causing

721
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:25,510
the effects that you were seeing but

722
00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:28,510
then there's so much of a nobody's

723
00:35:32,070 --> 00:35:30,369
allowed on to the property anymore to

724
00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:32,080
follow up to find out what's going on

725
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,880
that you know some of what we just have

726
00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:36,160
to leave it I don't know because I can't

727
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:39,580
go look well we've had a pretty good

728
00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:42,970
relationship with him over the the years

729
00:35:47,339 --> 00:35:45,580
spend hours talking on the telephone and

730
00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:47,349
of course he's got these photographs a

731
00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:48,700
lot of them were like streets and they

732
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,190
could be you know like bouncing off of

733
00:35:55,740 --> 00:35:52,960
mirrors and stuff but he's got some

734
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:55,750
pretty intriguing images like faces and

735
00:36:02,300 --> 00:35:58,960
the in the mirror and all and and other

736
00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:02,310
people have witnesses it's not like his

737
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:04,660
the phenomena is something that homie

738
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:08,410
he's been involved in and also too you

739
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:12,960
know he doesn't claim he sees a more a

740
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:15,790
conspiracy at involvement here by the

741
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:18,670
the government or what-have-you I mean

742
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:21,730
it's beyond just the normal you know

743
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:25,330
poltergeist or paranormal right yeah I

744
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,130
know somebody that it actually produced

745
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:29,920
a documentary and you know the

746
00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:31,720
conspiracies are run deep around that oh

747
00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:35,140
I'll agree with that anyway it said

748
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:37,720
that's the the one case I could think of

749
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:40,440
offhand from out your neck of the woods

750
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:43,210
what are a couple of the of the most

751
00:36:47,549 --> 00:36:44,170
exciting or in

752
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:47,559
resting cases that you've actually a you

753
00:36:53,339 --> 00:36:50,710
know got out in and gotten involved in

754
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:53,349
and what do they what kind of evidence

755
00:36:59,520 --> 00:36:55,710
would they would you be able to obtain

756
00:37:01,200 --> 00:36:59,530
well I'll give you the big one because

757
00:37:02,839 --> 00:37:01,210
everybody's so familiar with that even

758
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:02,849
others know there's a few other ones

759
00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:07,720
Stanley Hotel hmm you you probably know

760
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:08,319
that name

761
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:13,680
oh yeah we've all seen the shining and

762
00:37:21,329 --> 00:37:17,339
over the years we have been up there a

763
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:21,339
quite a few times and being able to

764
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:25,030
investigate the claims that are going on

765
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:28,630
there it is kind of interesting because

766
00:37:36,450 --> 00:37:32,890
we're watching a lot of urban legends

767
00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:36,460
take place because it's become such a

768
00:37:44,609 --> 00:37:38,680
popular location especially with the

769
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:44,619
reality TV shows oh they had a few ghost

770
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:46,540
stories and really good ghost stories

771
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:48,970
and just the most beautiful history you

772
00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:52,990
can imagine but watching people go in

773
00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:55,270
there and coming up with these ghost

774
00:38:00,059 --> 00:37:57,430
stories they're having to almost rewrite

775
00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:00,069
history to figure out how the ghosts are

776
00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:03,700
related to the property so we've had to

777
00:38:09,569 --> 00:38:05,980
go back and research the history to find

778
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:09,579
out where the real you know classic

779
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:11,849
ghost stories from the location

780
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:15,670
originated but then we've gone a little

781
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:18,599
bit further that I mean we've definitely

782
00:38:22,319 --> 00:38:20,710
looked at a lot of the claims and

783
00:38:25,380 --> 00:38:22,329
they're like I say there are a lot of

784
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:25,390
really interesting ghost stories that

785
00:38:30,270 --> 00:38:27,180
have legitimately come from the location

786
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:30,280
but just to show you kind of a level

787
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:33,160
that we take things we are we out there

788
00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:35,410
sit when was the the hotel actually

789
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:42,960
trying to remember what year it was it

790
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:44,710
was right at the turn of the century of

791
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:48,390
course I don't be the previous one yeah

792
00:38:52,349 --> 00:38:50,890
but and you know that's one of the

793
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:52,359
interesting things is they always say

794
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:55,569
that they were opened on July the 4th

795
00:39:00,480 --> 00:38:57,970
and they weren't they were

796
00:39:01,859 --> 00:39:00,490
actually opened on July 7th but it's so

797
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:01,869
much cooler to celebrate your birthday

798
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:05,920
on July the 4th but yeah you you run

799
00:39:08,910 --> 00:39:06,520
with it

800
00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:08,920
oh speaking of birthdays it's Tim

801
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,590
Schwartz's birthday today happy birthday

802
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:14,320
Tim I didn't want to forget that thank

803
00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:16,540
you very much you're welcome we're all

804
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:19,030
coming over for some champagne caviar

805
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:21,310
and chocolate cake we'll be there in

806
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:25,810
about an hour all right well I've got

807
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:29,410
the keg out okay but go ahead the

808
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:31,450
interesting thing about tonight your

809
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,660
happy frigging birthday that was the

810
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:40,480
boogey man I thank you you know that in

811
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:42,790
my stomach I don't know why good all

812
00:39:47,849 --> 00:39:44,740
right continue on continue on another

813
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:47,859
we've gotten serious to get ready now

814
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:50,980
what I was saying here is we got

815
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:53,050
involved in what was going to be a

816
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:54,760
documentary about the ghosts of the

817
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,760
hotel and they wanted us to be the

818
00:40:01,470 --> 00:39:59,440
paranormal research team or like this

819
00:40:04,589 --> 00:40:01,480
would be cool it's a famous location so

820
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:04,599
we went up and did a pretty intense

821
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:08,320
investigation and research the history

822
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,030
of the location everything was coming up

823
00:40:14,339 --> 00:40:12,400
great and then we find out that the

824
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:14,349
reasoning behind this documentary is

825
00:40:19,950 --> 00:40:17,050
because the hotel supposedly sits on top

826
00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:19,960
of large deposits of quartz magnetite

827
00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:22,750
and limestone which they're claiming

828
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:25,180
caused a piezoelectric effect which in

829
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:30,150
turn makes the ghosts able to appear and

830
00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:33,460
our thought was before we assume that

831
00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:35,140
that's what's making the ghosts appear

832
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:38,670
those minerals there in the first place

833
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:42,490
so we started researching where that

834
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:43,119
came from

835
00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:45,580
and it actually turned out that the

836
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:48,220
story about them came from TV show ghost

837
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:51,670
hunters where they had made these claims

838
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:54,970
and we contacted the guys TV show and

839
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:56,470
they said well we just asked the guys at

840
00:41:01,380 --> 00:40:57,040
the gift shop

841
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:01,390
that's who gave us the information so we

842
00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:03,910
like to take things just to the extra

843
00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:06,580
step so what we ended up doing was

844
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:09,460
contacting the US government and we got

845
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:11,170
ahold of the Department of Agriculture

846
00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:11,740
and

847
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:14,980
a long story short they asked us if we

848
00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:16,330
could get them into the hotel to

849
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:20,920
complete a soil survey and we did so for

850
00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:23,350
two days we worked with four branches of

851
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:25,270
the US government and we brought in

852
00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:28,210
ground-penetrating radar electromagnetic

853
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:31,180
induction regular soil scientists that

854
00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:33,910
we got to play scientists they got to

855
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:36,220
play ghost hunter but when all was said

856
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:38,290
and done we found out that that's not

857
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:40,930
even close to what's underneath the

858
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,960
hotel it's dirt in bedrock and so all of

859
00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:46,000
these claims about what was causing the

860
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:50,350
ghost was wrong and it's like guys you

861
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:52,330
know we can still talk about the ghost

862
00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:53,650
stories you got some really cool ones

863
00:41:58,500 --> 00:41:55,420
here maybe we can find some reasoning

864
00:42:00,690 --> 00:41:58,510
for them or maybe we can't but you know

865
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:00,700
quit spinning stories that aren't true

866
00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:03,910
and the only thing it really did was

867
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:05,560
accomplishing and getting us kicked out

868
00:42:11,609 --> 00:42:07,140
of the hotel

869
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:11,619
so we'll see yeah I would I would have

870
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:14,470
used that to my advantage at the the

871
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:16,540
government comes in and investigates the

872
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:19,240
ghost you know I mean I'd that's I mean

873
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:21,430
there's so many comment how many titers

874
00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:23,530
that has been Anna and what did the

875
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:25,150
government proved they proved that one

876
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,560
of the things that they were claiming

877
00:42:30,359 --> 00:42:28,240
wasn't true but you know we've had so

878
00:42:32,130 --> 00:42:30,369
many other ghost stories to look at you

879
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:32,140
know what's causing this what's causing

880
00:42:38,970 --> 00:42:35,490
this but you know the minute you take a

881
00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:38,980
reportedly haunted location and say you

882
00:42:44,490 --> 00:42:40,359
know everything you're saying isn't

883
00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:44,500
exactly facts you know they don't like

884
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:48,760
that so you know we kind of wear it as a

885
00:42:53,099 --> 00:42:51,250
badge of honor though and we love to

886
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:53,109
tell the story the hotel in the history

887
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:56,890
and the classic ghost stories from it

888
00:43:02,160 --> 00:42:59,290
and try to just like all the other

889
00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:02,170
locations that we we talk about it that

890
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:03,940
we've gone to the history is such an

891
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:08,170
important thing and we we love to talk

892
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:10,390
about that and make sure that regardless

893
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,650
of what those stories are being put out

894
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:16,720
over the years that the history remains

895
00:43:22,349 --> 00:43:19,030
intact because that's so important and

896
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:22,359
we're watching it be rewritten all over

897
00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:24,010
the place

898
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:29,380
our one or two ghost in the Stanley

899
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:33,550
Hotel to keep reappearing well there's

900
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:36,760
all sorts of stories such as on one of

901
00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:39,640
the floors they report that they hear

902
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:41,740
children running up and down the hallway

903
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:43,810
which is kind of a classic you know

904
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:47,290
Hotel ghost story but this predates all

905
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:51,490
of the the TV shows appearing there and

906
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:52,810
all of the Ghost Hunters going in

907
00:43:56,670 --> 00:43:54,390
they're coming up with their own

908
00:44:00,360 --> 00:43:56,680
concepts about what may be happening

909
00:44:02,370 --> 00:44:00,370
there there's people that have been seen

910
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:02,380
walking through the main lobby there's

911
00:44:08,370 --> 00:44:04,330
footsteps in the bar there's things like

912
00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:08,380
this that definitely they weren't

913
00:44:13,830 --> 00:44:10,830
something that seems to have been

914
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:13,840
manufactured to create more ghost story

915
00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:16,930
it was before that was really a concept

916
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:19,870
and something we've discovered is you

917
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:23,440
know before the advent of paranormal

918
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:27,340
reality everything places like that

919
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:30,730
really didn't want to be haunted mmm so

920
00:44:36,210 --> 00:44:32,770
if you can trace the ghost stories back

921
00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:36,220
to when they really didn't want to be on

922
00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:38,200
it you get to some really really cool

923
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,280
ghost stories where now when you go into

924
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:44,800
a haunted hotel they have a ledger

925
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:46,510
upfront okay here's all the ghost

926
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:49,420
stories from this oh yes in fact are you

927
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:53,170
familiar with the oh the Glenwood

928
00:44:57,420 --> 00:44:55,180
Springs the ghost in the hotel there I

929
00:45:00,030 --> 00:44:57,430
think it's the hotel Colorado Colorado

930
00:45:02,670 --> 00:45:00,040
yeah yeah I've stayed in the other room

931
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:02,680
where supposedly this I think a young

932
00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:05,410
girl has been seen several times and all

933
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:06,460
that happened to me is I got

934
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:08,650
increasingly drunker in the evening so

935
00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:11,680
because she would materialize it and

936
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:14,140
never did where that happen myself yeah

937
00:45:20,730 --> 00:45:18,330
boy yeah but yeah that that place has a

938
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,740
an interesting history I think there's a

939
00:45:25,410 --> 00:45:22,240
couple of ghost wandering around there

940
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:25,420
supposedly not well and that's the thing

941
00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:26,710
you've really got to look at I mean

942
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,780
there are there some traditional classic

943
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:30,400
ghost stories there that you know are

944
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,240
tied into the history of the location

945
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:35,440
probably and those are really cool but

946
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,220
it's hard to get through all of the

947
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:41,200
everybody has stayed here and because

948
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:42,910
they're doing the ghost hunting thing

949
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:44,740
every little creak was a ghost and now

950
00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:47,350
it's forever etched into the history of

951
00:45:53,310 --> 00:45:51,400
this location and you know while it's

952
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:53,320
fun to tell a ghost story it's also fun

953
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,370
to keep some sort of legitimacy to the

954
00:46:04,080 --> 00:45:59,680
history of the location well I guess

955
00:46:08,370 --> 00:46:04,090
ghosts can be real but also ghosts can

956
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,380
be imaginary I mean there are ghosts

957
00:46:13,890 --> 00:46:11,440
this stories that are stayed with us you

958
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,900
know like the ghost of Christmas past

959
00:46:17,970 --> 00:46:16,000
and and and so if we know ghost stories

960
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:17,980
that are stayed with us that are not

961
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:21,490
necessarily based on real paranormal

962
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:24,130
incidents and to people they are just as

963
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:27,510
scary if not more so than the actual

964
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,210
cases that might involve a phenomena

965
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:33,660
speaking of phenomena have you ever seen

966
00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:37,210
any of the ghosts yourself or recorded

967
00:46:45,450 --> 00:46:42,340
the EVPs already evidential substance

968
00:46:47,090 --> 00:46:45,460
from any of these investigations well

969
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:47,100
you know it's been a really frustrating

970
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:52,570
curve century uh because the only thing

971
00:46:58,530 --> 00:46:55,720
that we've really ever witnessed and I

972
00:47:03,750 --> 00:46:58,540
hate to use that word we've had personal

973
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:03,760
experiences not something that is a hard

974
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:05,170
recording not something that's

975
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:08,500
repeatable and you know over the years

976
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:11,920
we've discovered that if us as humans

977
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:15,160
are terrible recording here comes our oh

978
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,700
here comes our Ghostbuster with the with

979
00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:21,040
our necks that break here but we'll be

980
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:23,980
back in and just under five but it's the

981
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:26,920
continued are very scary and frightful

982
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:37,970
[Music]

983
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:42,990
explode the bazaar your e-ticket ride is

984
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:44,940
the world of a paranoid

985
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:48,220
strap yourself in as we traverse the

986
00:47:55,610 --> 00:47:52,260
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

987
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,620
ghost lost world

988
00:48:01,860 --> 00:47:58,000
cryptozoology as well as other

989
00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:01,870
dimensions it's time to take back the

990
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,280
night after night now your electrifying

991
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:09,520
hosts of exploring the bizarre timothy

992
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:15,310
beck knee and king swords carry are

993
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:17,470
Tim's second power of exploring the

994
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:21,450
bizarre and I have a question for

995
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:24,640
Benjamin about the boogeyman and outs

996
00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:27,970
I'll start out first commenting about

997
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:32,230
you know the the universality of a lot

998
00:48:40,050 --> 00:48:35,470
of these stories but especially the idea

999
00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:40,060
of the blue man living or coming out of

1000
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:44,590
your closet or underneath your bed you

1001
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:48,910
know it just it amazes me I think you

1002
00:48:54,350 --> 00:48:50,890
could go any place on this planet and

1003
00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:54,360
find kids saying the very same kind of

1004
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,220
thing you know about the boogeyman you

1005
00:49:01,080 --> 00:48:59,680
know under the bed or sticking your when

1006
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:01,090
you're sleeping you know don't you don't

1007
00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:02,950
stick your hands or your foot out from

1008
00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:05,320
underneath the covers and let that get

1009
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,900
for it yeah yeah yeah the boogeyman waf

1010
00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:10,720
sighs somehow you know your your covers

1011
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,540
are like an impenetrable force field you

1012
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,280
know that the boogeyman can't get

1013
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:18,640
through mm-hmm yeah one of the one of

1014
00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:20,230
the one of the things that kind of came

1015
00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:22,030
across was that whole idea of hiding

1016
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:23,620
into the covers and you're safe under

1017
00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:26,470
the magic covers and I actually had

1018
00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:29,020
thought you know when when babies are

1019
00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:31,000
born especially back in the day maybe

1020
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:33,580
not so much here in this day and age but

1021
00:49:38,190 --> 00:49:36,490
back in the day baby's first blankets

1022
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:38,200
were made with love other moms or their

1023
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,420
grandparents and there was a special

1024
00:49:43,590 --> 00:49:41,920
kind of you know you felt there was a

1025
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:43,600
special kind of magic like nothing could

1026
00:49:50,780 --> 00:49:46,210
touch you under that blanket and I

1027
00:49:54,350 --> 00:49:50,790
certainly did that but

1028
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,360
I made a point of putting that in the

1029
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:56,400
book in that the boogeyman is the

1030
00:50:03,890 --> 00:49:58,260
greatest pet peeve is whoever invented

1031
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:03,900
the blanket forts for the very same

1032
00:50:08,810 --> 00:50:06,450
reason because you could a good a good

1033
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:08,820
inventive kid could could put up a

1034
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:11,730
two-room blanket for with enough grape

1035
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:14,250
soda and Twinkies and the transistor

1036
00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:16,740
radio to keep the boogeyman out all

1037
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:18,750
night all week all month you know oh

1038
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:23,760
yeah well I mean how many you know what

1039
00:50:29,050 --> 00:50:26,190
we talked about you know like actual you

1040
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:29,060
know I suppose you know anecdotal maybe

1041
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:33,090
reports of people seeing ghosts in their

1042
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:34,770
room or something like that you know

1043
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:36,930
they're almost always excited oh they'll

1044
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:38,190
see the ghost play with the ghost will

1045
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:40,200
come up and stand at the side of the bed

1046
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:41,640
and like you know lead down and start

1047
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:43,560
serving Adam and the people will cover

1048
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:45,930
their heads you know with our blankets

1049
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:49,680
and that usually ends the incident right

1050
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:53,640
then there yeah I mean a similar thing

1051
00:50:58,820 --> 00:50:56,130
happened to when I was a kid I think I

1052
00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:58,830
was about 15 when I actually had woke up

1053
00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:01,020
with you know my the hair raising up my

1054
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:03,870
arms and I looked up and in my bed and

1055
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,500
there was this really tall gangly kind

1056
00:51:13,340 --> 00:51:09,420
of shadow person standing in the doorway

1057
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:13,350
and I literally just turned over put my

1058
00:51:21,110 --> 00:51:18,150
head and my blanket on land and very

1059
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:21,120
gradually the hair went down on my arms

1060
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:24,810
and the anxiety went away and but was

1061
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:27,450
that a dream was it real I don't know

1062
00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:30,630
but it it was unsettling enough for me

1063
00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:33,150
to remember it even to this day and

1064
00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:35,550
actually have a kind of effect how I

1065
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:39,840
riding and see things but yeah it's

1066
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:42,510
definitely a very buggiest thing and I

1067
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:45,930
kind of conjured up the whole idea like

1068
00:51:52,580 --> 00:51:48,090
night terrors and sleep paralysis and

1069
00:51:56,180 --> 00:51:52,590
all that all that smoke yeah well I dia

1070
00:52:00,140 --> 00:51:56,190
of you know like the bully man living in

1071
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:00,150
your closet I mean I I remember of a

1072
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:01,770
story and

1073
00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:05,010
I'd have to go back to my notes to pin

1074
00:52:10,930 --> 00:52:07,080
it down exactly but you know as the

1075
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:10,940
little girl family moved into a house

1076
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:15,930
and she a little girl discovered she had

1077
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:18,090
a friend that was living in her closet

1078
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:20,280
and at night the friend would come out

1079
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:22,530
of the closet and they would play you

1080
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:24,540
know during the night but at the the end

1081
00:52:29,330 --> 00:52:27,300
of their play time the this this little

1082
00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:29,340
other little girl go back into the

1083
00:52:34,610 --> 00:52:32,430
closet and you know I got it got to the

1084
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:34,620
point where they were going to move and

1085
00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:37,020
this girl asked her friend you know to

1086
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:38,670
come with her and she was like no I

1087
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:40,710
can't you know I live here in the closet

1088
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,460
and I have to stay here so they did a

1089
00:52:50,090 --> 00:52:47,040
web deal what is it about you know

1090
00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:50,100
closet or like you said earlier you know

1091
00:52:55,550 --> 00:52:52,230
the the creatures that live under the

1092
00:53:00,440 --> 00:52:55,560
stairs you know out and you know claws

1093
00:53:01,850 --> 00:53:00,450
your ankles as you go by techne a clause

1094
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:01,860
has never bothered me when I was a kid

1095
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:03,510
it was actually going down our basement

1096
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:06,900
stairs in my hometown but in the old

1097
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:08,280
house that I lived and they have these

1098
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:11,250
rickety wooden stairs and I just knew as

1099
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:12,810
soon as I put my foot down something was

1100
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,680
going to come out and grab that foot but

1101
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,520
thankfully I never had to really go down

1102
00:53:22,330 --> 00:53:19,680
the basement too much I think it's just

1103
00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:22,340
a primal fear of the unknown and I think

1104
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:25,230
kids especially have this beautiful

1105
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:28,500
imagination that sadly they lose a lot

1106
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:30,330
of them lose it when they become adults

1107
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:35,250
but the best ones become artists and the

1108
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:38,510
kids with their beautiful imaginations

1109
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:41,370
they can dream up good things and they

1110
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,450
can dream up bad things and that fear of

1111
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,280
the unknown kind of conjures the bad

1112
00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:49,200
thing sometimes and they create the

1113
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:52,430
terrors to deal with the the real tears

1114
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:55,890
in their eyes but you know I liked the

1115
00:54:00,440 --> 00:53:58,530
the part of your book you know like near

1116
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:00,450
the beginning when you know you're

1117
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:02,970
having the initial discussion with movie

1118
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,460
man and you ask him you know like what

1119
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:07,440
did what's the difference you know

1120
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:09,720
between like the stuff that he does and

1121
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:12,330
you know people like Hitler or Sabra bin

1122
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:14,810
Laden and people like that and you know

1123
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:17,390
and I found the explanation that that he

1124
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:21,290
gave to be rather satisfying so to speak

1125
00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:22,700
very much so

1126
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:28,190
yeah he if I remember right he had when

1127
00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:29,810
he brought it when when I brought out

1128
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:34,700
the whole idea was that Hitler and Osama

1129
00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:36,650
bin Laden tried to change the world

1130
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:40,780
around him to fit their fear rather than

1131
00:54:49,210 --> 00:54:47,090
create rather than try to get everybody

1132
00:54:51,490 --> 00:54:49,220
else they tried to change the world

1133
00:54:56,620 --> 00:54:51,500
around them to suit their own needs

1134
00:55:03,520 --> 00:54:56,630
rather than the other way around

1135
00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:03,530
so fungibility madness to do that no no

1136
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:08,180
he actually uses his gift for fear to

1137
00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:11,990
empower and strengthen and it comes off

1138
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:13,940
as being as being kind of very terror

1139
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,210
terrifying but I think the end result is

1140
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:20,720
that kids end up you know in a very in a

1141
00:55:25,570 --> 00:55:23,360
kind of a scaled-down way being able to

1142
00:55:28,330 --> 00:55:25,580
overcome that fear so that they can

1143
00:55:32,050 --> 00:55:28,340
continue to overcome fears well into

1144
00:55:35,890 --> 00:55:32,060
adulthood now can you make friends with

1145
00:55:39,460 --> 00:55:35,900
the boogey man and have him you know

1146
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:39,470
kind of like do your bidding no he is

1147
00:55:44,830 --> 00:55:42,400
very much his own person

1148
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:44,840
he would he will take your fears into

1149
00:55:49,330 --> 00:55:46,850
consideration and actually use them

1150
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:49,340
against you at peace if it's possible so

1151
00:55:53,470 --> 00:55:52,010
there's no real friendly banter going on

1152
00:55:55,810 --> 00:55:53,480
well there is where there was with me

1153
00:55:59,920 --> 00:55:55,820
but he was even less funnier than you

1154
00:56:02,320 --> 00:55:59,930
would think but and he would say that

1155
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:02,330
sometimes is you know a smiling

1156
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:04,130
boogeyman or a laughing boogeyman is

1157
00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:09,920
scarier the screaming one oh yeah yeah

1158
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,670
he's he's he has no alliances really and

1159
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:16,160
he there's no way to really bargain with

1160
00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:18,830
him you know because he will take your

1161
00:56:22,930 --> 00:56:20,500
fears and he'll use them against you

1162
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:22,940
which that's an interesting point

1163
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:27,180
because yeah there's a

1164
00:56:31,849 --> 00:56:28,800
there are a lot of paranormal

1165
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,859
investigators you know Paul Edith is one

1166
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:34,079
that tale comes to my mind right now who

1167
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:39,900
I mean they they feel that they're some

1168
00:56:45,859 --> 00:56:43,260
types of entity based paranormal

1169
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:45,869
activity could actually be some kind of

1170
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:48,210
you know I think as he put it like you

1171
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:50,130
know parasite types of creatures that

1172
00:56:57,140 --> 00:56:55,170
actually you know do work to induce fear

1173
00:56:59,720 --> 00:56:57,150
and terror because somehow they feed off

1174
00:57:02,720 --> 00:56:59,730
of that energy yeah yeah it's definitely

1175
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:02,730
uh especially like in the the

1176
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:05,250
poltergeist type situations there's

1177
00:57:10,819 --> 00:57:08,250
definitely a an aspect of the boogeyman

1178
00:57:13,309 --> 00:57:10,829
and his tactics in with that too but

1179
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,319
again it's kind of science you can't

1180
00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:16,559
really prove too easily so you know but

1181
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,900
the the whole idea of like a poltergeist

1182
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:21,119
activity and the creation of like the

1183
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:24,660
shadow figures etc poltergeists

1184
00:57:32,299 --> 00:57:28,619
definitely are it cold polar ice

1185
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:32,309
phenomenon is definitely a reflection of

1186
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:35,400
your worst fears so yeah it is very true

1187
00:57:39,730 --> 00:57:37,559
I remember reading I think it was in the

1188
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:39,740
fourteen times on a couple of occasions

1189
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:44,460
entire villages have been overrun with

1190
00:57:49,460 --> 00:57:47,250
the the boogeyman where people are

1191
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:49,470
having experiences with him in their

1192
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:54,240
dreams or having them appear in their in

1193
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:56,940
their rooms that you know at night and

1194
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:58,980
some people are so afraid that they you

1195
00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:01,140
know stay awake for two or three days it

1196
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:05,190
almost takes on a real persona and maybe

1197
00:58:09,289 --> 00:58:07,530
it is to some degrees I mean these are

1198
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:09,299
kind of like urban legends but they're

1199
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:12,930
so rooted in the belief system in some

1200
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:15,960
places around the world that you know to

1201
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:21,270
some people they really are reality it's

1202
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:24,150
part of real as their reality at n

1203
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:25,530
immerse in the boogeyman he actually

1204
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:27,930
really Bess's that's his cup of tea

1205
00:58:32,349 --> 00:58:29,369
right there where he can actually take

1206
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:32,359
out an entire village all at once but

1207
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,650
you know really it starts with one one

1208
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:37,680
whisper of you know a bad experience or

1209
00:58:43,550 --> 00:58:40,650
a bad dream or bad encounter

1210
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:43,560
for it to spread like a disease and or a

1211
00:58:49,850 --> 00:58:48,240
plague and not speaking for him but I

1212
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:49,860
can pretty much guarantee that that's

1213
00:58:54,140 --> 00:58:51,810
something that he definitely would

1214
00:58:55,940 --> 00:58:54,150
pounce on and take full advantage of you

1215
00:58:57,460 --> 00:58:55,950
can claim an entire village he'd be very

1216
00:59:01,220 --> 00:58:57,470
very proud

1217
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:01,230
well you look at these cases that I mean

1218
00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:02,970
you know you see it happening several

1219
00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:06,030
times a years especially in some of the

1220
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:09,300
like Asian countries you know Malaysia I

1221
00:59:14,540 --> 00:59:12,930
think played an island where you'll have

1222
00:59:18,010 --> 00:59:14,550
you know they're almost like mass

1223
00:59:22,070 --> 00:59:18,020
hysteria tie event especially in schools

1224
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:22,080
with teenage girls where you know it'll

1225
00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:24,090
it'll start where somebody says that

1226
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:25,980
they're you know there's a ghost in the

1227
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:27,810
hallway and then pretty soon everybody's

1228
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:29,850
seeing it then and then these girls that

1229
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:30,810
are dropping like flies

1230
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:35,790
yeah and it is it spreads like you said

1231
00:59:41,180 --> 00:59:38,130
like it's it's like a plague but rather

1232
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,190
than being a physical plague it's you

1233
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,200
know it's it's you know it's a mental

1234
00:59:47,180 --> 00:59:46,380
plague or or an emotional or spiritual

1235
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,190
plague yeah

1236
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:49,200
yes it can just take over everything

1237
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,480
especially you know some folklore is so

1238
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:53,040
much a part of their belief system

1239
00:59:57,890 --> 00:59:55,490
already as far as religion is concerned

1240
01:00:02,140 --> 00:59:57,900
they are the you know the it is very

1241
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:02,150
possible for one story to you know

1242
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:05,250
infect an entire town entire city and

1243
01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:07,890
really kind of put people into an uproar

1244
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:11,460
or into a panic whatever those time like

1245
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:12,900
you said well yeah what there was

1246
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:16,740
similar a series of cases right here in

1247
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:18,450
the United States in the early you know

1248
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:20,730
colonial base you know out of East Coast

1249
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:24,420
with the the Phantom Indians I don't

1250
01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:27,000
know if you're fairly facts about our

1251
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:29,880
demos flying head yeah yes yes I mean

1252
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:32,010
that has all the earmarks of the you

1253
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:34,440
know these more modern cases of these

1254
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:37,050
you know like mass panics almost know

1255
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:40,130
what what is this about floating heads

1256
01:00:47,060 --> 01:00:43,170
because yeah one yeah the flying a

1257
01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:47,070
flying head were it's kind of a rare

1258
01:00:53,330 --> 01:00:49,830
myth from the I believe of the Iroquois

1259
01:00:54,289 --> 01:00:53,340
Indians or the Mohawk where these they

1260
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,299
weren't actually

1261
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:57,119
Benjen creatures they were actually

1262
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:00,299
creatures that would punish and shamans

1263
01:01:04,339 --> 01:01:02,249
would see them Chiefs would see them

1264
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:04,349
warriors would see them there's been a

1265
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:07,049
number of reported sightings of these

1266
01:01:12,919 --> 01:01:10,049
things in Native American history where

1267
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:12,929
they were actually these flying heads

1268
01:01:17,689 --> 01:01:14,630
that were just these hideous creatures

1269
01:01:20,509 --> 01:01:17,699
that just basically heads with wings

1270
01:01:22,579 --> 01:01:20,519
that would attack at random and it

1271
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:22,589
usually happened as a result of

1272
01:01:28,089 --> 01:01:25,529
something that they did wrong or that

1273
01:01:30,769 --> 01:01:28,099
they offended the Great Spirit

1274
01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:30,779
so it was kind of an avenging angel

1275
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:32,670
really is if you won't look at him that

1276
01:01:37,729 --> 01:01:35,369
in that respect you know I guess so I

1277
01:01:40,009 --> 01:01:37,739
we've talked about the you know some of

1278
01:01:42,019 --> 01:01:40,019
the movies that have been based on the

1279
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:42,029
boogeyman including boogeyman one two

1280
01:01:49,219 --> 01:01:46,319
and three but you also have the presence

1281
01:01:55,219 --> 01:01:49,229
of the boogeyman in the theater you have

1282
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:55,229
the presence of the boogeyman in musical

1283
01:02:01,069 --> 01:01:58,170
acts in fact that always seems of you

1284
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:01,079
know very popular with the with the

1285
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:03,569
followers of rock and roll and I'm not

1286
01:02:08,140 --> 01:02:05,130
just talking about satanic rock and roll

1287
01:02:12,259 --> 01:02:08,150
but you got Rob Zombie and of course my

1288
01:02:14,449 --> 01:02:12,269
afraid of a bird Alice Cooper I met him

1289
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:14,459
before he well actually they came out on

1290
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:16,529
stage I think they were dressed in white

1291
01:02:21,529 --> 01:02:19,049
sheets or something I mean like they're

1292
01:02:24,469 --> 01:02:21,539
you know it was it took them a while to

1293
01:02:28,459 --> 01:02:24,479
get the the act a kind of you know

1294
01:02:29,989 --> 01:02:28,469
formulated and of course he made it he

1295
01:02:32,419 --> 01:02:29,999
made it kind of big on the rumor that he

1296
01:02:35,749 --> 01:02:32,429
and I guess that was Ozzy they'd built a

1297
01:02:38,089 --> 01:02:35,759
bit the head off of the bat or something

1298
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,099
yeah I don't know yeah yeah I was

1299
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:40,079
apparently killing a chicken a paranoid

1300
01:02:43,699 --> 01:02:42,420
ah well hacks it doesn't everybody

1301
01:02:45,319 --> 01:02:43,709
doesn't everybody

1302
01:02:52,429 --> 01:02:45,329
that's nothing but a flying chicken

1303
01:02:55,099 --> 01:02:52,439
anyway yeah tastes the same and then

1304
01:02:59,089 --> 01:02:55,109
even of course on the on Broadway you've

1305
01:03:01,249 --> 01:02:59,099
got Phantom of the Opera yeah everybody

1306
01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:01,259
loves the dark everybody loves to to

1307
01:03:05,479 --> 01:03:03,059
embrace that I think that's something

1308
01:03:07,189 --> 01:03:05,489
that some people are afraid to admit

1309
01:03:07,790 --> 01:03:07,199
that but as they're drawn to it anyway

1310
01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:07,800
and others

1311
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:09,840
I like me and you guys are either sort

1312
01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:12,510
of like that's your thing you know and

1313
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:16,020
it didn't make money I had a lady friend

1314
01:03:21,020 --> 01:03:19,290
one time who loved me to love for

1315
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:21,030
literally love for me to tell her

1316
01:03:29,380 --> 01:03:23,850
stories from the dark side that would

1317
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:34,250
luckylucky man yeah well I always knew

1318
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:37,760
how to tell a good GU Alicia's story

1319
01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:39,420
that's for sure

1320
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:44,580
but now you even get into in your book

1321
01:03:48,590 --> 01:03:46,490
you even talk about the cannibal a

1322
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:48,600
cannibalism mm-hmm

1323
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:52,740
I mean are people equate cannibals with

1324
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,400
the into the boogeyman I guess there are

1325
01:04:01,220 --> 01:03:59,280
a couple of I would say real kin yeah

1326
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:01,230
cannibals I mean instances of people

1327
01:04:07,310 --> 01:04:03,690
eating human flesh and stuff like that

1328
01:04:09,110 --> 01:04:07,320
yeah you know yeah you have Ed Gein we

1329
01:04:10,580 --> 01:04:09,120
mentioned earlier and he was he was one

1330
01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:10,590
of the most famous cannibals around the

1331
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:12,380
objecto

1332
01:04:16,970 --> 01:04:15,570
but it even goes back to you know way

1333
01:04:21,350 --> 01:04:16,980
back before them and you had like the

1334
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:21,360
Greek myth that was one of the worst

1335
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:23,850
things that you could you know that you

1336
01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:26,190
could do you know and suddenly these

1337
01:04:30,620 --> 01:04:28,950
cannibals became everything you fear and

1338
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:30,630
became part of the the boogie man

1339
01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:34,560
culture and even now today you know you

1340
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:36,630
have all these stories of Isis and all

1341
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:39,210
this stuff coming out where they're

1342
01:04:46,610 --> 01:04:43,140
feeding human flesh to you know captured

1343
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:46,620
prisoners look it's kind of you know

1344
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:49,650
still going on but it's it's taken on a

1345
01:04:58,610 --> 01:04:54,570
much more brutal tone and you know and

1346
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,620
even one of the more famous of stories

1347
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:00,720
of cannibals was Alfred Packer who was

1348
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:09,510
digging the the Old West who was sorry I

1349
01:05:15,460 --> 01:05:11,460
lost my train of thought there um he was

1350
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:15,470
he was exposed a accused of murder and

1351
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:19,980
cannibalism and he became for a long

1352
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:22,140
long time the most

1353
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:25,359
reviled notorious cannibal of the old

1354
01:05:30,330 --> 01:05:28,450
weather but Easter decent taken on kind

1355
01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:30,340
of a cartoonish aspect in that you know

1356
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:32,200
Trey Parker made a musical out of his

1357
01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:36,400
life so I think you made it mm-hmm

1358
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:40,500
now you even even bring UFOs into the

1359
01:05:46,410 --> 01:05:43,390
equation of course we've got the men in

1360
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:46,420
black now where where would I be today

1361
01:05:49,470 --> 01:05:47,740
if it weren't for the men in black

1362
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:49,480
because I don't know if you're familiar

1363
01:05:56,099 --> 01:05:52,930
with this or not but I've taken what is

1364
01:06:00,680 --> 01:05:56,109
supposedly the only authentic photograph

1365
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:00,690
of a of amid a standing in the doorway

1366
01:06:09,870 --> 01:06:04,960
in Jersey City watching people going in

1367
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:09,880
and out of the apartment that was owned

1368
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:15,609
by John J Robinson who was a an expert

1369
01:06:19,230 --> 01:06:16,900
or had written I guess pretty

1370
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:19,240
extensively about the shaver mystery and

1371
01:06:23,070 --> 01:06:21,010
of course the shaver from a mystery if

1372
01:06:25,140 --> 01:06:23,080
you're familiar with that Richard shaver

1373
01:06:28,170 --> 01:06:25,150
came up with this whole talk about the

1374
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:28,180
boogeyman I mean the Darrow you know who

1375
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:30,490
live underground and there were many

1376
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:34,000
cases I guess of spelunkers and and

1377
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:36,670
people who are entrapped in caverns who

1378
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:39,070
have actually had to fight for their

1379
01:06:46,609 --> 01:06:43,330
lives with some of these creatures of

1380
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:46,619
dead live inside the earth yeah well

1381
01:06:51,390 --> 01:06:49,510
that's that's that's the you know that

1382
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:51,400
became the basis of that movie The

1383
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:53,710
Descent which was one of my favorite

1384
01:06:58,380 --> 01:06:55,530
horror movies the last couple of years

1385
01:07:01,290 --> 01:06:58,390
so yeah that's still a very real fear to

1386
01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:01,300
that's just being trapped someplace

1387
01:07:04,650 --> 01:07:02,830
where you can't get out and stuck there

1388
01:07:07,620 --> 01:07:04,660
with something that won't let you get

1389
01:07:12,839 --> 01:07:07,630
out now what what you talk about here

1390
01:07:18,660 --> 01:07:12,849
I'm just looking this over the instant

1391
01:07:24,270 --> 01:07:18,670
UFO incident in rich richardville swamp

1392
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:24,280
oh yeah that was that there was a this

1393
01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:27,250
was a legend that my father told me when

1394
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:30,550
I was a child and the bogeyman backed it

1395
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:34,530
up for you there was a swamp outside of

1396
01:07:39,890 --> 01:07:36,330
there was a swamp outside of my old

1397
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:39,900
hometown date in Indiana and this swamp

1398
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:43,770
used to be part of this old farmers land

1399
01:07:49,820 --> 01:07:47,610
and they just basically discovered that

1400
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:49,830
there was this creature living in the

1401
01:07:58,070 --> 01:07:54,480
swamp that he continued to bring him

1402
01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:58,080
travelers highwayman and salesmen so

1403
01:08:02,450 --> 01:07:59,880
that he could he could eat them he would

1404
01:08:04,580 --> 01:08:02,460
leave the money and the valuables with

1405
01:08:09,770 --> 01:08:04,590
the farmer and so he could actually live

1406
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:09,780
there without having to struggle but it

1407
01:08:13,610 --> 01:08:11,910
was it yeah but that would make an

1408
01:08:16,519 --> 01:08:13,620
excellent movie I'm surprised nobody has

1409
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:16,529
done that one no no and it was a you

1410
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:18,330
know you know I've talked to people in

1411
01:08:23,210 --> 01:08:20,580
my hometown and they're like what are

1412
01:08:25,130 --> 01:08:23,220
you talking about a lot of people know

1413
01:08:28,999 --> 01:08:25,140
about it but it was but that that land

1414
01:08:31,180 --> 01:08:29,009
that had done was owned by one of the

1415
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:31,190
wealthiest Native American merchants in

1416
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:36,210
America and there were lots of myths and

1417
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:38,370
legends going on about that land around

1418
01:08:44,570 --> 01:08:40,890
this swampy area of course now it's it's

1419
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:44,580
been filled in and it's been a cornfield

1420
01:08:50,210 --> 01:08:47,850
for about the past hundred years ago but

1421
01:08:53,180 --> 01:08:50,220
that legend my father told me just stuck

1422
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:53,190
with me and you know of course I asked

1423
01:08:56,539 --> 01:08:54,810
the boogey man about a neat he said oh

1424
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,549
yeah and that was my favorite

1425
01:09:01,730 --> 01:08:58,799
he runs a apparently runs efficient

1426
01:09:04,430 --> 01:09:01,740
Steakhouse up in Michigan now it's a

1427
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:04,440
boogeyman ya know the you know the the

1428
01:09:09,620 --> 01:09:07,230
bebop used to warm I was gonna say is a

1429
01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:09,630
Mike retires or soon yeah he had

1430
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:11,100
everything he had to retire because they

1431
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:12,930
filled him they filled in a swamp so he

1432
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:15,450
migrated north and their theory runs a

1433
01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:19,230
place called Gilman's know what what

1434
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:21,750
what would you say about the the Mothman

1435
01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:24,330
creature which in I am I was good

1436
01:09:29,539 --> 01:09:27,390
friends with the John keel and of course

1437
01:09:31,130 --> 01:09:29,549
John did the you know wrote the book

1438
01:09:33,559 --> 01:09:31,140
that the movie with Richard Gere is

1439
01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:33,569
based on Mothman Prophecies and that had

1440
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:35,640
blazing red eyes and certainly scared

1441
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:39,330
the bejesus out of at least those first

1442
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,080
few witnesses everybody there in Point

1443
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:45,120
Pleasant I know that they just that was

1444
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:47,810
another legend that

1445
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:50,530
just fascinated me to know when you know

1446
01:09:58,540 --> 01:09:53,120
but again the boogeyman has a sense of

1447
01:10:00,160 --> 01:09:58,550
humor about that whole thing and had

1448
01:10:03,220 --> 01:10:00,170
told me that it wasn't it wasn't

1449
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:03,230
actually a mock man it was a Native

1450
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:06,050
American Thunderbird and his name it

1451
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:08,210
wasn't a mock man it was Birdman Larry

1452
01:10:11,260 --> 01:10:09,620
and he was just headed back to Florida

1453
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:11,270
and he just happened to stop in Point

1454
01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:13,910
Pleasant because I change up except a

1455
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:15,680
few dogs on the way I guess they're

1456
01:10:22,690 --> 01:10:19,520
happy then yeah I'm very very

1457
01:10:25,330 --> 01:10:22,700
frightening that stories and and of

1458
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:25,340
course it's a it's produced an entire

1459
01:10:32,770 --> 01:10:29,440
cottage industry you even have the

1460
01:10:35,290 --> 01:10:32,780
Mothman the festival every year

1461
01:10:38,290 --> 01:10:35,300
and then Dan was closer yeah ya know as

1462
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:38,300
a whole and I'm sure most man chicken

1463
01:10:52,419 --> 01:10:40,760
wings somewhere on one pretty scary

1464
01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:56,600
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1465
01:11:01,180 --> 01:10:58,590
two of the most indentifying

1466
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:01,190
researchers in the paranal your host

1467
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:07,770
Timothy Becca Lee panting Swartz final

1468
01:11:14,569 --> 01:11:11,250
second second final segment of the show

1469
01:11:17,930 --> 01:11:14,579
tube and less than 30 minutes to go so

1470
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:17,940
we need to get right into this Brian you

1471
01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:20,329
said during the break that you have an

1472
01:11:28,939 --> 01:11:24,440
interesting story for us so go for it

1473
01:11:34,549 --> 01:11:28,949
well it's kind of a follow up about the

1474
01:11:37,310 --> 01:11:34,559
whole cultural stories that take off and

1475
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:37,320
it really ties into a great horror movie

1476
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:40,710
nightmare an old streak uh we actually

1477
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,050
do a series of talks called based on a

1478
01:11:50,350 --> 01:11:45,840
true story which is the supposed true

1479
01:11:54,919 --> 01:11:50,360
stories behind these horror movies and

1480
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:54,929
what had happened is Wes Craven

1481
01:12:03,020 --> 01:11:57,170
obviously the director of the movie I

1482
01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:03,030
had found in the mid 70s we had this

1483
01:12:10,910 --> 01:12:06,270
huge influx of South Asia or South Asian

1484
01:12:14,629 --> 01:12:10,920
refugees and there was a big population

1485
01:12:16,419 --> 01:12:14,639
of them out on the west coast that we're

1486
01:12:19,819 --> 01:12:16,429
having this problem where they were

1487
01:12:22,370 --> 01:12:19,829
afraid to sleep because they were dying

1488
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:22,380
in their sleep you know this sounds kind

1489
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,190
of like a an urban legend and in a way

1490
01:12:34,810 --> 01:12:29,520
it was what had happened it was kind of

1491
01:12:38,060 --> 01:12:34,820
a two-fold thing of the the stories of

1492
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:38,070
the the demons the ghosts whatever you

1493
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:41,250
would like to to label them and what was

1494
01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:42,719
going to happen to them in this new

1495
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:46,980
country was terrifying and it turns out

1496
01:12:53,260 --> 01:12:49,050
that there was actually a congenital

1497
01:12:58,129 --> 01:12:53,270
problem it's called Brugada syndrome

1498
01:13:02,260 --> 01:12:58,139
which causes a sudden cardiac failure

1499
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:02,270
and what would happen is in the

1500
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:04,610
group of people they have an extremely

1501
01:13:10,150 --> 01:13:07,580
high incidence of it so they would hear

1502
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:10,160
these terrifying stories about you know

1503
01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:11,510
these things that were going to happen

1504
01:13:18,340 --> 01:13:15,980
to them they'd go to sleep and have a

1505
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:18,350
nightmare and because of this sudden

1506
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:21,710
cardiac failure it would kill them so

1507
01:13:26,650 --> 01:13:23,570
there was these mass groups of people

1508
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:26,660
buying because if there's their dreams

1509
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:30,080
and you know that got Wes Craven going

1510
01:13:36,220 --> 01:13:33,290
and he's like this is a movie of course

1511
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:36,230
he added Freddy Krueger to it but you

1512
01:13:44,610 --> 01:13:40,910
know they had their demons too so he

1513
01:13:46,180 --> 01:13:44,620
basically westernized this story oh

1514
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:46,190
absolutely

1515
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:50,480
he took a lot of his his cultural biases

1516
01:13:56,650 --> 01:13:53,570
and threw them in there and added to the

1517
01:13:59,530 --> 01:13:56,660
story actually took the name of one of

1518
01:14:04,990 --> 01:13:59,540
his high school bullies and then we have

1519
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:05,000
free Kruger but but you know that it's

1520
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:06,800
interesting watching how there's so many

1521
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:10,610
of these you know supposedly based on a

1522
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:13,930
true story movies that have I'll say a

1523
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:16,730
tidbit of some sort of reality behind

1524
01:14:28,690 --> 01:14:21,650
them I know that there's that there's

1525
01:14:31,180 --> 01:14:28,700
the whole series of movies that that's

1526
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:31,190
coming out and I can't remember the

1527
01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:33,910
title again but supposedly based on

1528
01:14:39,460 --> 01:14:36,440
whether the original movie was

1529
01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:39,470
supposedly based on investigations done

1530
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:45,340
dealing with you know like the demonic

1531
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:48,410
doll and all that and now of you know

1532
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,570
it's like these movies are just spiraled

1533
01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:52,239
out of control

1534
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:54,100
oh they have and you know one thing

1535
01:14:59,370 --> 01:14:56,770
you've got to watch out it goes back to

1536
01:15:02,060 --> 01:14:59,380
this is any time you hear you know based

1537
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:02,070
on a true story inspired by true events

1538
01:15:08,910 --> 01:15:04,750
that may be there in the background

1539
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:08,920
somewhere but just to give you an idea

1540
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:11,440
of that we had one of our investigations

1541
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:15,040
this was one probably 15 20 about 15

1542
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,900
years ago that a production company read

1543
01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:21,520
an article that we'd written about it

1544
01:15:29,190 --> 01:15:25,590
and actually optioned it for a movie and

1545
01:15:31,650 --> 01:15:29,200
it wasn't I mean it was an interesting

1546
01:15:36,270 --> 01:15:31,660
case and bizarre things happen nothing I

1547
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:36,280
mean completely out of control but one

1548
01:15:41,970 --> 01:15:38,890
of the things that we really insisted on

1549
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:41,980
when we did this was we got to you know

1550
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:43,840
watch the drafts as they were coming

1551
01:15:45,690 --> 01:15:45,370
through maybe get a little approval on

1552
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:45,700
them

1553
01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:48,130
and the dumbest thing we possibly could

1554
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:49,870
have done is we said regardless of what

1555
01:15:54,030 --> 01:15:51,370
they do with the story we want to make

1556
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:54,040
sure our names stayed the same because

1557
01:15:59,640 --> 01:15:56,110
you know it's cool to see your name on

1558
01:16:01,620 --> 01:15:59,650
the big screen rather we thought well by

1559
01:16:04,890 --> 01:16:01,630
the time the first draft and this is the

1560
01:16:07,950 --> 01:16:04,900
first draft made it out it's gone from

1561
01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:07,960
you know just a mild paranormal

1562
01:16:15,690 --> 01:16:10,660
investigation it's now called the demon

1563
01:16:18,660 --> 01:16:15,700
code and it's like I don't know ever I'd

1564
01:16:23,070 --> 01:16:18,670
you like that tiny'mons that night was a

1565
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:23,080
cool name but it just I don't know it

1566
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,510
felt kind of bizarre to say oh yeah the

1567
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:28,239
demon coke I have no idea what the demon

1568
01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:33,730
was but that's what self and you know

1569
01:16:40,170 --> 01:16:36,340
I'm a huge horror movie buff so I get it

1570
01:16:42,930 --> 01:16:40,180
but don't tag on based on a true story

1571
01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:42,940
if you were bringing up the Warrens

1572
01:16:48,180 --> 01:16:45,510
if you watch the last one that came out

1573
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:48,190
what was it the conjuring - conjuring

1574
01:16:53,340 --> 01:16:52,570
yeah but edy Warren all of a sudden was

1575
01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:53,350
a superhero

1576
01:16:58,500 --> 01:16:56,020
I mean he's grabbing people that are

1577
01:17:02,810 --> 01:16:58,510
falling out of windows and saving their

1578
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:02,820
lives and I I don't think so

1579
01:17:09,020 --> 01:17:07,320
I mean it's just it's it's over-the-top

1580
01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:09,030
but it's Hollywood

1581
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:11,880
so can you tell that sort of a story

1582
01:17:16,189 --> 01:17:13,590
absolutely and they're really fun and

1583
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:16,199
cool but it don't tell people that it's

1584
01:17:20,899 --> 01:17:18,420
real yeah yeah there's nothing nothing

1585
01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:20,909
worse in my opinion then a movie that

1586
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,150
begins it says based on you know a real

1587
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:26,400
case histories or something like the

1588
01:17:32,629 --> 01:17:27,960
Blair Witch Project or something you

1589
01:17:34,910 --> 01:17:32,639
know damn where it isn't exactly now

1590
01:17:38,750 --> 01:17:34,920
what what what movies cake can you pick

1591
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:38,760
out any movies so that you can think of

1592
01:17:44,990 --> 01:17:41,810
that have stayed true to their original

1593
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:45,000
you know a form that they were based on

1594
01:17:52,339 --> 01:17:48,320
I mean or anything close to that

1595
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:52,349
not really and they always get so so

1596
01:17:58,160 --> 01:17:55,230
Hollywood it up and you know that's

1597
01:18:00,080 --> 01:17:58,170
that's an unfortunate thing but it's

1598
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,090
made for some amazing movies too I mean

1599
01:18:05,870 --> 01:18:02,880
the Exorcist one of my favorite movies

1600
01:18:08,089 --> 01:18:05,880
of all time based on a true story

1601
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:08,099
well lightly based on some things that

1602
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:10,730
were kicked around a little bit not

1603
01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:15,690
based on a true story poltergeist based

1604
01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:18,630
on a local legend here but you know

1605
01:18:23,870 --> 01:18:20,369
obviously it wasn't a shot by shot

1606
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:23,880
remake because that would have made a

1607
01:18:29,569 --> 01:18:27,840
lot of news and if you ever want to have

1608
01:18:32,419 --> 01:18:29,579
fun and this is a completely different

1609
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:32,429
one one that we discovered me based on a

1610
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:38,310
true story was the blob blob the orange

1611
01:18:43,850 --> 01:18:41,460
one yeah Steve McClean the original

1612
01:18:46,459 --> 01:18:43,860
Steve McQueen one I heard somebody

1613
01:18:50,030 --> 01:18:46,469
mention it once and ended up doing a ton

1614
01:18:51,919 --> 01:18:50,040
of research on it and well you know the

1615
01:18:56,169 --> 01:18:51,929
whole blob thing wasn't real the whole

1616
01:18:59,149 --> 01:18:56,179
backstory to it is there was actually a

1617
01:19:02,600 --> 01:18:59,159
couple of rural cops that saw something

1618
01:19:05,149 --> 01:19:02,610
come down to the ground and didn't know

1619
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:05,159
what it was filed reports with you know

1620
01:19:12,490 --> 01:19:08,820
not only the Air Force but any UFO

1621
01:19:15,169 --> 01:19:12,500
reporting agency they could find mm and

1622
01:19:16,209 --> 01:19:15,179
it turns out after digging into it a

1623
01:19:18,370 --> 01:19:16,219
little bit

1624
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:18,380
that there was a legitimate answer to

1625
01:19:25,959 --> 01:19:20,510
what it was and why it acted like it did

1626
01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:25,969
it was part of a what am I trying to say

1627
01:19:34,779 --> 01:19:30,710
a bio attack test that the military was

1628
01:19:37,469 --> 01:19:34,789
running and it was an inert substance

1629
01:19:40,629 --> 01:19:37,479
but they were testing it on the public

1630
01:19:44,669 --> 01:19:40,639
because they needed to do that to be

1631
01:19:47,229 --> 01:19:44,679
able to see the dispersion of it and

1632
01:19:50,469 --> 01:19:47,239
only a couple of people have really been

1633
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:50,479
able to marry those facts together and

1634
01:19:57,399 --> 01:19:55,280
come up with what really happened I know

1635
01:19:59,620 --> 01:19:57,409
the day naked didn't naked truth about

1636
01:20:01,089 --> 01:19:59,630
the blog now I know the cases he's

1637
01:20:03,459 --> 01:20:01,099
talking about because the police

1638
01:20:06,339 --> 01:20:03,469
actually they claimed that they actually

1639
01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:06,349
like got a jar full of the stuff and see

1640
01:20:14,529 --> 01:20:11,510
all that a sticky substance and if you

1641
01:20:18,089 --> 01:20:14,539
look at a off the top of my head I don't

1642
01:20:21,719 --> 01:20:18,099
remember the name of the the military

1643
01:20:24,549 --> 01:20:21,729
test that they were doing but it matched

1644
01:20:27,759 --> 01:20:24,559
exactly what they were doing and if you

1645
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:27,769
look at the the times that they were

1646
01:20:32,770 --> 01:20:30,650
dropping it it was the same now to add a

1647
01:20:37,959 --> 01:20:32,780
little insult injury there was a huge

1648
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:37,969
fire in Canada and it actually blacked

1649
01:20:43,719 --> 01:20:40,489
out I don't remember what the name of or

1650
01:20:46,569 --> 01:20:43,729
which town it was uh it blacked out a

1651
01:20:48,370 --> 01:20:46,579
town in the u.s. to the point that at a

1652
01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:48,380
baseball game in the middle of the day

1653
01:20:53,979 --> 01:20:51,590
they had two terminal lights so that

1654
01:20:57,219 --> 01:20:53,989
added to it we had this mystery

1655
01:21:01,989 --> 01:20:57,229
substance piecing things coming from the

1656
01:21:04,779 --> 01:21:01,999
air and now an entire town that the the

1657
01:21:08,859 --> 01:21:04,789
Sun goes away for an afternoon so it was

1658
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:08,869
just absolutely the perfect storm for a

1659
01:21:18,270 --> 01:21:15,050
great UFO story now you mentioned that

1660
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:18,280
you have been involved in some UFO cases

1661
01:21:23,890 --> 01:21:22,130
we've been involved in a few the only

1662
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:23,900
thing that we've discovered is when we

1663
01:21:29,390 --> 01:21:26,090
dig deep enough into the UFO stories we

1664
01:21:32,530 --> 01:21:29,400
tend to find out they weren't

1665
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:32,540
we've had a we've had a couple here a

1666
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:40,560
minor one uh we had a typical triangular

1667
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:45,960
UFO here that in doing a little little

1668
01:21:50,900 --> 01:21:48,210
extra digging we discovered that it was

1669
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:50,910
actually a slurry bomber we had a huge

1670
01:21:55,460 --> 01:21:53,400
wildfire going just west of town and

1671
01:21:59,120 --> 01:21:55,470
they were using these uh

1672
01:22:02,680 --> 01:21:59,130
big flurry bombers to attack it at night

1673
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:02,690
hmm and they were dipping into town and

1674
01:22:09,260 --> 01:22:06,690
dropping into a lake to get water no way

1675
01:22:12,050 --> 01:22:09,270
well then that would seem like a UFO to

1676
01:22:14,180 --> 01:22:12,060
a lot of people right well in the right

1677
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:14,190
thing you know it wasn't they said it

1678
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:17,190
wasn't it was moving too slow well if

1679
01:22:24,530 --> 01:22:20,850
you take a plane that size in high winds

1680
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:24,540
and fill it with water we actually had

1681
01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:26,640
to get some people to go out and you

1682
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,020
know do the math for us but it gives you

1683
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:34,320
the apparent speed of about 25 miles an

1684
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:38,130
hour and you know to those of us

1685
01:22:43,550 --> 01:22:41,760
watching planes we don't we don't

1686
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:43,560
perceive a plane at 25 miles an hour

1687
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,490
were expecting it to move pretty fast so

1688
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:48,960
when you see something in the sky in the

1689
01:22:52,420 --> 01:22:50,250
middle of the night you're not too sure

1690
01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:52,430
why it's there and it's moving that slow

1691
01:23:01,040 --> 01:22:55,080
it's pretty easy conclusion to come up

1692
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,050
to now in your travels have you come

1693
01:23:06,350 --> 01:23:03,840
across there a tie-in with let's say

1694
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:06,360
ghost lights or UFOs and pulled your

1695
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:09,840
values or a ghostly activity well in one

1696
01:23:14,930 --> 01:23:11,010
thing that we've discovered over the

1697
01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:14,940
years is there seems to be a cultural

1698
01:23:20,420 --> 01:23:17,640
bias as to what people perceive that

1699
01:23:24,860 --> 01:23:20,430
they're having have happen to them if

1700
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:24,870
you look at a lot of ghost stories if

1701
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:28,530
you say it wasn't a ghost it was an

1702
01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:32,610
alien and the story still fits or it

1703
01:23:39,380 --> 01:23:36,780
wasn't a ghost it was a Bigfoot outside

1704
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:39,390
the stories really start to match up

1705
01:23:47,180 --> 01:23:43,500
that you know it really depends on what

1706
01:23:53,380 --> 01:23:47,190
you're expecting to experience that you

1707
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:53,390
can experience I was looking at the

1708
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:57,330
where you're talking about some of the

1709
01:24:04,940 --> 01:24:00,960
favorite devices that some of these

1710
01:24:08,420 --> 01:24:04,950
ghost hunters are taking out in their

1711
01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:08,430
cases and and how they just you know

1712
01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:10,980
they don't realize you know what they

1713
01:24:15,020 --> 01:24:13,560
have and how to use them and I found it

1714
01:24:18,220 --> 01:24:15,030
interesting especially when it comes to

1715
01:24:22,730 --> 01:24:18,230
the en meters what you have gone through

1716
01:24:23,780 --> 01:24:22,740
to familiarize yourselves with them why

1717
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:23,790
don't you tell us a little bit about

1718
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:26,610
that well that kind of goes with every

1719
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:29,610
piece of equipment well most people go

1720
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:31,110
out and say I'm going to be a ghost

1721
01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:32,760
hunter and use this piece of equipment

1722
01:24:37,850 --> 01:24:35,880
they really don't have a clue what it is

1723
01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:37,860
that that piece of equipment does so

1724
01:24:43,610 --> 01:24:41,220
what we've done is we take the first

1725
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:43,620
step by saying okay this piece of

1726
01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:46,170
equipment was designed to do something

1727
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:50,580
not in the paranormal field so let's go

1728
01:24:57,230 --> 01:24:53,490
take training in whatever this equipment

1729
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:57,240
was designed for that way when we're

1730
01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:58,890
using it out in the field if we have

1731
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:01,500
some sort of a bizarre result we're much

1732
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:04,320
more likely to understand if there's

1733
01:25:08,810 --> 01:25:05,910
some sort of an error with the equipment

1734
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:08,820
or our perception and how the equipment

1735
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:12,690
works and I've actually worked for

1736
01:25:18,230 --> 01:25:15,840
companies that did electromagnetic field

1737
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:18,240
research for you know legitimate reasons

1738
01:25:29,210 --> 01:25:21,890
for broadcast equipment human exposure

1739
01:25:32,110 --> 01:25:29,220
like the thermal cameras they're crazy

1740
01:25:34,820 --> 01:25:32,120
expensive yes they're coming down a lot

1741
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:34,830
but one of the things we thought is

1742
01:25:38,570 --> 01:25:36,690
before we think thousands of dollars

1743
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,580
into one of these why don't we figure

1744
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:41,280
out if the claims that people are making

1745
01:25:47,390 --> 01:25:44,820
about these are even possible so we went

1746
01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:47,400
out and actually got certified by I

1747
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:49,260
think we're up to five different

1748
01:25:52,990 --> 01:25:50,490
manufacturers

1749
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:53,000
of them now and how to use the equipment

1750
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,050
but you know not as ghost-hunting

1751
01:25:59,780 --> 01:25:56,880
equipment but as what it was actually

1752
01:26:03,140 --> 01:25:59,790
designed for right and once you learn

1753
01:26:06,110 --> 01:26:03,150
that you start seeing a lot of holes in

1754
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:06,120
the way people are using equipment but

1755
01:26:10,820 --> 01:26:08,760
you know like I was saying earlier it's

1756
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:10,830
still a lot of fun to go out and you

1757
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:15,090
know play ghost person but it's not real

1758
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:21,690
research how about the ghost box the

1759
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:26,520
ghost box I developed here you're

1760
01:26:35,150 --> 01:26:29,130
hitting close to home developed by mr.

1761
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:35,160
Frank sunshine who live lives sorry he's

1762
01:26:41,630 --> 01:26:38,880
dead now uh probably 15 miles south of

1763
01:26:46,490 --> 01:26:41,640
where I am right now I don't know if you

1764
01:26:49,220 --> 01:26:46,500
look at the the backstory to what had

1765
01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:49,230
happened with that originally Frank said

1766
01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:50,580
that it talked to aliens

1767
01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:54,470
oh hey later I like it already

1768
01:27:01,160 --> 01:26:57,480
well and then you know later on in his

1769
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:01,170
life as he was getting older he kind of

1770
01:27:05,180 --> 01:27:03,090
went back to he was talking to a lien

1771
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:05,190
with it or some sort of interdimensional

1772
01:27:10,820 --> 01:27:07,290
creatures because they referred to him

1773
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:10,830
as their purple princess and he was

1774
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:17,370
supposedly in a past life a a female

1775
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:20,010
that was the leader of these creatures

1776
01:27:25,190 --> 01:27:23,610
whatever they were but just as you watch

1777
01:27:28,130 --> 01:27:25,200
the claims of the guy that made the

1778
01:27:29,660 --> 01:27:28,140
device in the first place you don't even

1779
01:27:31,220 --> 01:27:29,670
have to really look at the device to go

1780
01:27:34,300 --> 01:27:31,230
now hold on a minute there's way too

1781
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:34,310
many things going on with this device

1782
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:37,050
all the claims can't be realized

1783
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:39,930
it can't be talking to aliens and

1784
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:44,250
interdimensional creatures and ghosts

1785
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:47,610
and then it gets even worse for the

1786
01:27:54,020 --> 01:27:50,310
ghosts have to have a companion device

1787
01:27:57,140 --> 01:27:54,030
on the other side and fill up its

1788
01:28:01,640 --> 01:27:57,150
original operator to up to opportunities

1789
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:01,650
to make a sale exactly when you're dead

1790
01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:03,690
you can still solve these things

1791
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:10,240
so and you know in looking at like we

1792
01:28:18,150 --> 01:28:15,610
have to do human perception we have

1793
01:28:22,140 --> 01:28:18,160
learned that it's way too easy if you're

1794
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:22,150
expecting a certain result to perceive

1795
01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:27,280
it to be there um as an example during

1796
01:28:33,180 --> 01:28:30,520
our fans which we like to build as our

1797
01:28:39,090 --> 01:28:33,190
genuine fakes and you know just like the

1798
01:28:44,730 --> 01:28:39,100
originals we do have a ghost box it's a

1799
01:28:46,860 --> 01:28:44,740
it's a different variety but people will

1800
01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:46,870
hear whatever we tell them they want to

1801
01:28:53,340 --> 01:28:50,790
hear pick a word let's talk about this

1802
01:28:54,540 --> 01:28:53,350
this one word that the box is going to

1803
01:28:58,500 --> 01:28:54,550
say and then we're going to listen for

1804
01:29:03,720 --> 01:28:58,510
it and without a doubt 50% of the people

1805
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:03,730
hear that word because we're you know

1806
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:09,010
kind of pre-built to do that and it gets

1807
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:10,450
worse because you take it out into the

1808
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:13,810
field as a ghost hunter and you start

1809
01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:15,370
asking it questions and I always

1810
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:17,320
wondered about questions myself because

1811
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:20,050
the questions are very important

1812
01:29:27,570 --> 01:29:22,930
earth-shattering questions like what

1813
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:27,580
color shirt am I wearing or do you like

1814
01:29:35,070 --> 01:29:31,450
me if I could legitimately talk with a

1815
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:35,080
ghost I want I want the information you

1816
01:29:40,710 --> 01:29:36,610
know what's going on on the other side

1817
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:40,720
this sort of thing not not not a school

1818
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,190
game kind of a thing but you know just

1819
01:29:51,390 --> 01:29:47,440
look like I say the human perception the

1820
01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:51,400
way that it is you can never use it as

1821
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:54,070
real evidence even if it was capable of

1822
01:29:58,440 --> 01:29:55,360
doing it there's so many possibilities

1823
01:30:02,010 --> 01:29:58,450
of other things that may be causing it

1824
01:30:07,020 --> 01:30:02,020
yeah it doesn't it seems more like a

1825
01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:07,030
gimmick than a an actual device to talk

1826
01:30:12,210 --> 01:30:10,270
to the two spirits and had even if you

1827
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:12,220
did get a Stewart how do you prove it

1828
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:15,040
you know I mean well you're here I'm

1829
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:17,290
here today literally here today

1830
01:30:23,070 --> 01:30:20,110
tomorrow you know I mean is it that I

1831
01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:23,080
well that's the problem I hope that's

1832
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:24,490
the problem with the whole paranormal

1833
01:30:28,110 --> 01:30:26,650
field and you know the personal

1834
01:30:29,730 --> 01:30:28,120
experience is early the only thing

1835
01:30:34,740 --> 01:30:29,740
they've been able to keep us in it just

1836
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:34,750
because what's enough evidence what any

1837
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:38,290
evidence you know what you may consider

1838
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:40,000
to be proof of something

1839
01:30:47,010 --> 01:30:45,130
I may not yes and since this isn't this

1840
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:47,020
isn't science you know it's kind of like

1841
01:30:54,150 --> 01:30:50,110
the Bigfoot the explanation of give me a

1842
01:30:58,910 --> 01:30:54,160
body and you know with ghosts we need

1843
01:31:01,680 --> 01:30:58,920
something that's testable repeatable and

1844
01:31:02,820 --> 01:31:01,690
you know we're having a whole lot

1845
01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:02,830
not-not-not

1846
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:07,180
not such that's something flimsy exactly

1847
01:31:11,540 --> 01:31:10,330
and well while personal experiences are

1848
01:31:14,490 --> 01:31:11,550
really cool

1849
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:14,500
you know when it comes to extrapolating

1850
01:31:19,140 --> 01:31:16,570
data from things personal experiences

1851
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:19,150
don't mean anything well you know I hate

1852
01:31:24,420 --> 01:31:21,490
to interrupt but we are down to the last

1853
01:31:26,370 --> 01:31:24,430
few minutes and I want to ask both of

1854
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:26,380
you to tell us about what you're working

1855
01:31:32,090 --> 01:31:29,110
on how people can find your your books

1856
01:31:34,230 --> 01:31:32,100
and find you on the Internet and so

1857
01:31:38,070 --> 01:31:34,240
Benjamin why don't we start with you

1858
01:31:39,690 --> 01:31:38,080
what are the titles of your tales and my

1859
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:39,700
first book was lost in the darkness

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my second there's grandma shadows follow

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grim shadows falling and followed by

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vile

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which is about serial killers and of

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course interview with the boogeyman all

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of them are available on amazon and

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barnesandnoble.com relief viola

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boogeyman booker both available on

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target and walmart.com as well i can

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find me on facebook just look me up on

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right there I found you on Facebook I

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find a lot of people on Facebook but

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that's a good source of you know what

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individuals we've not done a lot of

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radio or TV or you know I mean there's a

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lot of just a lot of people there but

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your book is fascinating it's it's

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well-written and virtually hugely

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well-designed and how about you would

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find out about the your activities your

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work on the internet you have a youtube

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channel or we are all over the place

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there the YouTube channel if you look

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for something by the name Brian and

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Baxter document paranormal or warning

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radio we also have Rocky Mountain

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paranormal comm which is our main

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investigative website we have Brian and

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Baxter comm which is the upfront crazy

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personalities to host all of these

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wonderful events like our dinners and

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seances and you can also find either one

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of us individually or as Brian and

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Baxter on Facebook and how often do you

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have your dinners generally review them

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once or twice on one but as the are they

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always Avenger usually we've we've been

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known to travel but I've had a hatchet

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all the way there interval travel

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exactly and you know as the Halloween

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season approaches we definitely increase

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what we're doing well I'm not sure that

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I would take candy from any of you guys

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to to be honest with you but it's been a

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very fearful evening and but I'm afraid

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pardon the expression that we're up to

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the clock striking midnight back here in

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the East that we have to say goodbye to

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you in to all our listeners and remind

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you that you can listen to the show and

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archive at kco our radio.com and of

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course our youtube channel is mr. ufos

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secret files and if you want to know

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about all our books and our activities

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you can contact us just send me an

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e-mail at mr. UFO mr UFO 8 and

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hotmail.com and here comes our damn

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boogeyman

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tonight off schedule you've been

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listening to explore in the bazaar with

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hosts Timothy Beckley and King Swartz

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they're taking back the night by dipping

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non-stop about the puzzles in search of

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a truly bizarre and totally unexplained

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with you as their combined Earth Day

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nights at 7 p.m. Pacific taken

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on the KCl our digital radiator

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for more information on exploring the

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bazaar and host Timothy Becky and since

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walks check out there Casey Awad digital

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radio network follow their YouTube